All logic and meaning is not made by human 'forms'. They seems to be made by them but are happening automatically in life, by life to life.
Its life that sees, hears thinks etc and forms are just being used by life to make an impression that - that form is thinking.
Its purely dream like activity, that identification to forms seem real.
We are only analysing logic and trying to construct the day time activity to check its reality.
How is the night dream activity constructed? Out of nothing.
Lets take the day dream.
Take a process of reproduction and life as an example and see how far dreamy it is.
Reproduction happens by leaves, stems, roots, fruits, seeds, cells etc just evolving into its next forms. Animated life forms also have a variety. Apparent animated live forms have birth from eggs, are born blind or 'seeing', conversion from worms to flying objects, conversion from fishy tadpoles to grounded frogs, babies from eggs, direct drop babies, etc, No end to illogic here.
Take destruction of life : by age, starvation, accidents, sickness, wars, nature havoc, water on land, water off rivers, volcano, heat, cold etc.
Take movements - in water, on ground, in space,
Take walking – by no legs, by two legs, by four legs, by a hundred legs!
Take sleeping: some beings sleep standing, some lying down and some hanging upside down like a bat and even some more that dont need to sleep.
Take the feel of weight. – One doesn’t feel his own weight, however, everything is supposed to be having weight. The sum of the weight of the objects, seem to the total weight that has to be experienced. But the earth is floating weightlessly, the solar system is weightless and the whole damn Universe is weightless. But all objects have weights.
Take God - We have god as formless, human shapes, single head, multiple heads, males, females, animals, birds, fish, tortoise, and mostly statues.
How more dreamy can one dream reality to be and feel such total illogical base as logical?.
The belief is also made by life to life. Mind is also a forms, just are a front to absorb the dream as real.
Just imagine the twin towers being blown out by air planes, in which humans accept to commit suicide using a plane: looks dream stuff.
If it was a night dream, one would argue that such tall buildings cannot be built, planes could not take off the ground, moreover, humans could not dare to commit suicide, and planes would break before the building can break. Such type arguments would arise in the day to rubbish this if was a night dream.
Flowers blossoming, fading away in time etc look dreamish, A moth turning into butterfly, entirely a dream, babies from eggs, plants sprouting only from water, fishes surviving without breathing, fishes growing to be ground beings like frogs, snakes without their eating teeth, some animals surviving without food for months, seeds being alive for years, these are pure dream images that can be believed by dream objects as real inside the dream.
So, all of this is no different from the logic or illogic of a night dream.
All there is - is just the knowing of what is happening. How the knowing happens - is intuitive to the 'forms' because it is not happening to the form. What is happening in life and to life is intuitive to the level of form.
Reading alphabets and the spacing between them making meanings is as dreamish but seems real and it is all intuitive.
So all there is - is dreams and their knowing and a magic of illusion, giving a feeling of reality within the respective dream.
If we (our dream scientists) had enough explanations for night dream events, then that would have been the waking state and the day would be the dream state.
Its life that sees, hears thinks etc and forms are just being used by life to make an impression that - that form is thinking.
Its purely dream like activity, that identification to forms seem real.
We are only analysing logic and trying to construct the day time activity to check its reality.
How is the night dream activity constructed? Out of nothing.
Lets take the day dream.
Take a process of reproduction and life as an example and see how far dreamy it is.
Reproduction happens by leaves, stems, roots, fruits, seeds, cells etc just evolving into its next forms. Animated life forms also have a variety. Apparent animated live forms have birth from eggs, are born blind or 'seeing', conversion from worms to flying objects, conversion from fishy tadpoles to grounded frogs, babies from eggs, direct drop babies, etc, No end to illogic here.
Take destruction of life : by age, starvation, accidents, sickness, wars, nature havoc, water on land, water off rivers, volcano, heat, cold etc.
Take movements - in water, on ground, in space,
Take walking – by no legs, by two legs, by four legs, by a hundred legs!
Take sleeping: some beings sleep standing, some lying down and some hanging upside down like a bat and even some more that dont need to sleep.
Take the feel of weight. – One doesn’t feel his own weight, however, everything is supposed to be having weight. The sum of the weight of the objects, seem to the total weight that has to be experienced. But the earth is floating weightlessly, the solar system is weightless and the whole damn Universe is weightless. But all objects have weights.
Take God - We have god as formless, human shapes, single head, multiple heads, males, females, animals, birds, fish, tortoise, and mostly statues.
How more dreamy can one dream reality to be and feel such total illogical base as logical?.
The belief is also made by life to life. Mind is also a forms, just are a front to absorb the dream as real.
Just imagine the twin towers being blown out by air planes, in which humans accept to commit suicide using a plane: looks dream stuff.
If it was a night dream, one would argue that such tall buildings cannot be built, planes could not take off the ground, moreover, humans could not dare to commit suicide, and planes would break before the building can break. Such type arguments would arise in the day to rubbish this if was a night dream.
Flowers blossoming, fading away in time etc look dreamish, A moth turning into butterfly, entirely a dream, babies from eggs, plants sprouting only from water, fishes surviving without breathing, fishes growing to be ground beings like frogs, snakes without their eating teeth, some animals surviving without food for months, seeds being alive for years, these are pure dream images that can be believed by dream objects as real inside the dream.
So, all of this is no different from the logic or illogic of a night dream.
All there is - is just the knowing of what is happening. How the knowing happens - is intuitive to the 'forms' because it is not happening to the form. What is happening in life and to life is intuitive to the level of form.
Reading alphabets and the spacing between them making meanings is as dreamish but seems real and it is all intuitive.
So all there is - is dreams and their knowing and a magic of illusion, giving a feeling of reality within the respective dream.
If we (our dream scientists) had enough explanations for night dream events, then that would have been the waking state and the day would be the dream state.
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